Comments on: Public Sector pay in Ireland & the €50,000 question: It’s not that difficult! http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/ Irish Economy | World Economy | Property Market | Economic Analysis | Ronan Lyons Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:32:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: frank sheehan http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-4070 frank sheehan Thu, 08 Sep 2011 14:33:52 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-4070 Sept 2011, I would love you to present an analysis of Golden Hand Shakes & Pensions enjoyed by public servants versus the private sector. Thanks, Frank Sept 2011,
I would love you to present an analysis of Golden Hand Shakes & Pensions enjoyed by public servants versus the private sector.
Thanks,
Frank

]]> By: The Man http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-3913 The Man Wed, 03 Aug 2011 08:57:57 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-3913 You should use the median earnings as a statistic, not the average You should use the median earnings as a statistic, not the average

]]> By: The myth that private sector workers are talking the same levels of pay cuts as publi - Page 4 http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-3762 The myth that private sector workers are talking the same levels of pay cuts as publi - Page 4 Tue, 28 Jun 2011 14:39:57 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-3762 [...] the public sector gets. You need to factor in pensions as well. It is alot in the public service. Public Sector pay in Ireland & the Reply With Quote + Reply to [...] [...] the public sector gets. You need to factor in pensions as well. It is alot in the public service. Public Sector pay in Ireland & the Reply With Quote + Reply to [...]

]]> By: IMF demand public sector pay and numbers cuts: Indo - Page 31 http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-2449 IMF demand public sector pay and numbers cuts: Indo - Page 31 Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:08:47 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-2449 [...] Originally Posted by Kevin Doyle Benchmarking delivered on average 12.5% pay increases, the Goverment has cut salaries on average 17%. Benchmarking has been reversed, more than reversed, its utterly irrelevant what you think about the person stating an inescapable fact. yeah yeah yeah Public Sector pay in Ireland & the [...] [...] Originally Posted by Kevin Doyle Benchmarking delivered on average 12.5% pay increases, the Goverment has cut salaries on average 17%. Benchmarking has been reversed, more than reversed, its utterly irrelevant what you think about the person stating an inescapable fact. yeah yeah yeah Public Sector pay in Ireland & the [...]

]]> By: Cathy Dalton http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1943 Cathy Dalton Mon, 12 Jul 2010 20:33:01 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1943 Based on personal experience, I also feel that benchmarking is too often unrealistic. The calibre of public sector employees is often below that of private sector employees supposedly at the same level. I know of one professional who left a public sector job near his home to return to Dublin commute after 3 months. Apparently he got through what his supervisor felt was 3 months' working his first three weeks, working at a normal private sector pace. And there are worse stories. Some public bodies have absolutely no interest in recruiting people from outside who might challenge the status quo. We also once had an employee "poached" by a public sector client, who mistakenly congratulated themselves. Least productive person in the office, resolved the dilemma of having to fire her. As a self-employed person, I'm so far beyond fed-up with the situation. I will work till I'm at least 70, with very little in terms of pension prospects. I work hard, and have made what would be considered a social contribution through my work. The large proportion of public sector workers mitigates against any prospect of change. Based on personal experience, I also feel that benchmarking is too often unrealistic. The calibre of public sector employees is often below that of private sector employees supposedly at the same level. I know of one professional who left a public sector job near his home to return to Dublin commute after 3 months. Apparently he got through what his supervisor felt was 3 months’ working his first three weeks, working at a normal private sector pace. And there are worse stories. Some public bodies have absolutely no interest in recruiting people from outside who might challenge the status quo. We also once had an employee “poached” by a public sector client, who mistakenly congratulated themselves. Least productive person in the office, resolved the dilemma of having to fire her. As a self-employed person, I’m so far beyond fed-up with the situation. I will work till I’m at least 70, with very little in terms of pension prospects. I work hard, and have made what would be considered a social contribution through my work. The large proportion of public sector workers mitigates against any prospect of change.

]]> By: Another look at benchmarking - Page 2 http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1765 Another look at benchmarking - Page 2 Tue, 11 May 2010 15:52:37 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1765 [...] Here's an interesting article from Ronan lyons with a graph showing that public sector pay was higher than private sector going back as far as 1997. Public Sector pay in Ireland & the ?50,000 question: It’s not that difficult! | Ronan Lyon... [...] [...] Here's an interesting article from Ronan lyons with a graph showing that public sector pay was higher than private sector going back as far as 1997. Public Sector pay in Ireland & the ?50,000 question: It’s not that difficult! | Ronan Lyon… [...]

]]> By: Jack o Connor warns of further cuts if croke park deal rejected - Page 24 http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1740 Jack o Connor warns of further cuts if croke park deal rejected - Page 24 Tue, 04 May 2010 14:39:48 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1740 [...] up your claims. Sigh. I am not getting into this one as it leads nowhere but just for kicks: Public Sector pay in Ireland & the ?50,000 question: It’s not that difficult! | Ronan Lyon... Don't read the numbers and I am not making a comparison on the relative salaries but the salary [...] [...] up your claims. Sigh. I am not getting into this one as it leads nowhere but just for kicks: Public Sector pay in Ireland & the ?50,000 question: It’s not that difficult! | Ronan Lyon… Don't read the numbers and I am not making a comparison on the relative salaries but the salary [...]

]]> By: I'm so proud to be a CPSU member - Page 58 http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1541 I'm so proud to be a CPSU member - Page 58 Mon, 29 Mar 2010 23:46:53 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1541 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: Ronan Lyons http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1234 Ronan Lyons Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:17:41 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1234 David, It might be worth having a look at my update to this post, where I use the data that the HSE do make available through the Dept of Finance (as opposed to the CSO). The post is here: http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/07/13/public-sector-versus-private-sector-pay-update/ The estimated average earnings for the health sector are not only higher than the public sector (ex health), they are also higher than the semi-state sector. Average remuneration is more than €60,000 this year. I would encourage you to heed your own advice. Don't take what you believe as true. Don't take what I tell you as true. Go, get the figures, see for yourself. R David,
It might be worth having a look at my update to this post, where I use the data that the HSE do make available through the Dept of Finance (as opposed to the CSO). The post is here: http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/07/13/public-sector-versus-private-sector-pay-update/

The estimated average earnings for the health sector are not only higher than the public sector (ex health), they are also higher than the semi-state sector. Average remuneration is more than €60,000 this year.

I would encourage you to heed your own advice. Don’t take what you believe as true. Don’t take what I tell you as true. Go, get the figures, see for yourself.

R

]]> By: David Lysaght http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1230 David Lysaght Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:22:22 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1230 Let me tell you guys something about the Irish Government. They are playing you the whole Irish population trying to pitch a battle between both sectors. I loved at the end of piece that you added in a footnote saying figures from the Health Service excluded. Has anyone though of asking WHY, oh yeah I forgot no figures exist well if you believe that than you would believe anything. It my opinion that if these studies included the thousands of nurses who work in awlful conditions compared to other developed countries earning on average €31000 a year that it would bring the overall average of public sector pay inline maybe a bit higher than the private sector. Maybe the Irish people should wake up and smell the coffee and ask the real questions such as: - Why is Brian getting paid more than Obama for running a country as small as Ireland in relative and polictal strenght. - Why is our health and education service substandard after 15 years of a boom. - Why are we paying the head of the HSE a bonus in times of cutbacks after he decided not to ask for it in 2007 because of all the scandal in the HSE that year. Please, Please people of Ireland WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me tell you guys something about the Irish Government. They are playing you the whole Irish population trying to pitch a battle between both sectors. I loved at the end of piece that you added in a footnote saying figures from the Health Service excluded. Has anyone though of asking WHY, oh yeah I forgot no figures exist well if you believe that than you would believe anything. It my opinion that if these studies included the thousands of nurses who work in awlful conditions compared to other developed countries earning on average €31000 a year that it would bring the overall average of public sector pay inline maybe a bit higher than the private sector.

Maybe the Irish people should wake up and smell the coffee and ask the real questions

such as:

- Why is Brian getting paid more than Obama for running a country as small as Ireland in relative and polictal strenght.

- Why is our health and education service substandard after 15 years of a boom.

- Why are we paying the head of the HSE a bonus in times of cutbacks after he decided not to ask for it in 2007 because of all the scandal in the HSE that year.

Please, Please people of Ireland WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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