Comments on: Public Sector pay in Ireland & the €50,000 question: It’s not that difficult! http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/ Irish Economy | World Economy | Property Market | Economic Analysis | Ronan Lyons Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:32:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Ronan Lyons http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1234 Ronan Lyons Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:17:41 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1234 David, It might be worth having a look at my update to this post, where I use the data that the HSE do make available through the Dept of Finance (as opposed to the CSO). The post is here: http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/07/13/public-sector-versus-private-sector-pay-update/ The estimated average earnings for the health sector are not only higher than the public sector (ex health), they are also higher than the semi-state sector. Average remuneration is more than €60,000 this year. I would encourage you to heed your own advice. Don't take what you believe as true. Don't take what I tell you as true. Go, get the figures, see for yourself. R David,
It might be worth having a look at my update to this post, where I use the data that the HSE do make available through the Dept of Finance (as opposed to the CSO). The post is here: http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/07/13/public-sector-versus-private-sector-pay-update/

The estimated average earnings for the health sector are not only higher than the public sector (ex health), they are also higher than the semi-state sector. Average remuneration is more than €60,000 this year.

I would encourage you to heed your own advice. Don’t take what you believe as true. Don’t take what I tell you as true. Go, get the figures, see for yourself.

R

]]> By: David Lysaght http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1230 David Lysaght Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:22:22 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1230 Let me tell you guys something about the Irish Government. They are playing you the whole Irish population trying to pitch a battle between both sectors. I loved at the end of piece that you added in a footnote saying figures from the Health Service excluded. Has anyone though of asking WHY, oh yeah I forgot no figures exist well if you believe that than you would believe anything. It my opinion that if these studies included the thousands of nurses who work in awlful conditions compared to other developed countries earning on average €31000 a year that it would bring the overall average of public sector pay inline maybe a bit higher than the private sector. Maybe the Irish people should wake up and smell the coffee and ask the real questions such as: - Why is Brian getting paid more than Obama for running a country as small as Ireland in relative and polictal strenght. - Why is our health and education service substandard after 15 years of a boom. - Why are we paying the head of the HSE a bonus in times of cutbacks after he decided not to ask for it in 2007 because of all the scandal in the HSE that year. Please, Please people of Ireland WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me tell you guys something about the Irish Government. They are playing you the whole Irish population trying to pitch a battle between both sectors. I loved at the end of piece that you added in a footnote saying figures from the Health Service excluded. Has anyone though of asking WHY, oh yeah I forgot no figures exist well if you believe that than you would believe anything. It my opinion that if these studies included the thousands of nurses who work in awlful conditions compared to other developed countries earning on average €31000 a year that it would bring the overall average of public sector pay inline maybe a bit higher than the private sector.

Maybe the Irish people should wake up and smell the coffee and ask the real questions

such as:

- Why is Brian getting paid more than Obama for running a country as small as Ireland in relative and polictal strenght.

- Why is our health and education service substandard after 15 years of a boom.

- Why are we paying the head of the HSE a bonus in times of cutbacks after he decided not to ask for it in 2007 because of all the scandal in the HSE that year.

Please, Please people of Ireland WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Public sector told 'strike and pay will be docked' - Page 88 - Politics.ie http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1174 Public sector told 'strike and pay will be docked' - Page 88 - Politics.ie Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:35:50 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1174 [...] [...] [...] [...]

]]> By: Patricia http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-1022 Patricia Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:21:48 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-1022 Can you show me anyone in the Banking Sector who has worked for the same Bank for 8 years that earns less than €33k GROSS and pays over €140 into a pension! Plus they will have to work until they are 70+ in order to qualify for the full pension!!! I am first to agree that there needs to be Local Government Reform but leave the lowly paid public sector workers alone. If we reduced the Number of Councillors - hence saving on their expenses, we could afford the wages bill. Would Councillors even be missed???? Can you show me anyone in the Banking Sector who has worked for the same Bank for 8 years that earns less than €33k GROSS and pays over €140 into a pension! Plus they will have to work until they are 70+ in order to qualify for the full pension!!! I am first to agree that there needs to be Local Government Reform but leave the lowly paid public sector workers alone. If we reduced the Number of Councillors – hence saving on their expenses, we could afford the wages bill. Would Councillors even be missed????

]]> By: aodan http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-962 aodan Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:21:15 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-962 I work in a dublin hospital full time single parent earning 26000 per year not entitled to nothing to help me childcare, school .. nearly everyone I work with earns on average the same as myself!! I work on a ward have been subject to voilence and abuse on many occasions , I am down nearly 90 euro a month pension levy while people complain that public sector is highly paid, when people finish complaining about me and my so called earings it wont be the people on 50 grand a year or more paying out more it will be me!! I work in a dublin hospital full time single parent earning 26000 per year not entitled to nothing to help me childcare, school .. nearly everyone I work with earns on average the same as myself!! I work on a ward have been subject to voilence and abuse on many occasions , I am down nearly 90 euro a month pension levy while people complain that public sector is highly paid, when people finish complaining about me and my so called earings it wont be the people on 50 grand a year or more paying out more it will be me!!

]]> By: Average public and private sector pay in Ireland | Ronan Lyons http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-701 Average public and private sector pay in Ireland | Ronan Lyons Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:31:45 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-701 [...] of what the average pay was in the public and private sectors. The overall finding was that average pay in the public sector was almost €50,000 per year, compared with less than €40,000 a .... In the lengthy comments that follow that blog entry, amateur statisticians of all sorts came up [...] [...] of what the average pay was in the public and private sectors. The overall finding was that average pay in the public sector was almost €50,000 per year, compared with less than €40,000 a …. In the lengthy comments that follow that blog entry, amateur statisticians of all sorts came up [...]

]]> By: IMF report on Ireland, competitiveness, wages, taxes and public expenditure | Ronan Lyons http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-572 IMF report on Ireland, competitiveness, wages, taxes and public expenditure | Ronan Lyons Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:16:57 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-572 [...] sustainable/competitive in the 15 years to 2001 but that since then, driven by huge increases in public sector wages (i.e. benchmarking) have risen above competitive [...] [...] sustainable/competitive in the 15 years to 2001 but that since then, driven by huge increases in public sector wages (i.e. benchmarking) have risen above competitive [...]

]]> By: Choosing the Bitter Pill | Jaedi - Truth or Consequence http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-321 Choosing the Bitter Pill | Jaedi - Truth or Consequence Fri, 29 May 2009 20:47:36 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-321 [...] high levels of public sector pay and employment is something from an era of exuberance. During difficult economic times it is a [...] [...] high levels of public sector pay and employment is something from an era of exuberance. During difficult economic times it is a [...]

]]> By: Noneconomist http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Noneconomist Wed, 13 May 2009 12:40:59 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-106 Ernie, make sure when comparing the Irish % spend on the public sector to other countries, that you adjust for a potentially massive defence budget in that country Ernie, make sure when comparing the Irish % spend on the public sector to other countries, that you adjust for a potentially massive defence budget in that country

]]> By: Rivals clash on pay rises for civil servants - Page 2 - Politics.ie http://www.ronanlyons.com/2009/02/04/public-sector-pay-in-ireland-the-e50000-question-its-not-that-difficult/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Rivals clash on pay rises for civil servants - Page 2 - Politics.ie Wed, 13 May 2009 09:07:36 +0000 http://http://ronanlyons.wordpress.com/?p=195#comment-105 [...] their wages cut and where prices are falling should read either or ideally both of the following: Public Sector pay in Ireland & the ?50,000 question: It’s not that difficult! Ronan Lyons ... State jobs pay 20pc more than private sector - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie Job for [...] [...] their wages cut and where prices are falling should read either or ideally both of the following: Public Sector pay in Ireland & the ?50,000 question: It’s not that difficult! Ronan Lyons … State jobs pay 20pc more than private sector – National News, Frontpage – Independent.ie Job for [...]

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